site submission software

[generic]

looking for the best site submission software. I used to use topdog, which was great, but they closed and are referring all business to search engine commando.

looking into

- web position gold
- search engine commando
- All-in-One Submission Gold
(appears to be the only one with NO negatives on cnet and hotfiles ratings)
- SubmitWolf Pro 6.0
- Web CEO

anyone have experience with any good ones they want to recommend.

[generic]

guess i'm on my own here...

[jmbeach]

I personally use/have used Web Pos. Gold only - but I've heard good things about commando as well.

Web Pos. is good, and I've actually gotten good results for some of my clients that I would have otherwise had to have spent much more time doing by hand. It by no means is a quick way to do SE submissions, but it has good tools IMO

At the very least it was worth the cost of the software considering it has paid for itself many times over.

[nhdonny]

www.Submitcorner.com

Try it you might like it

[mresell]

Originally Posted by jmbeach

I personally use/have used Web Pos. Gold only - but I've heard good things about commando as well.

Web Pos. is good, and I've actually gotten good results for some of my clients that I would have otherwise had to have spent much more time doing by hand. It by no means is a quick way to do SE submissions, but it has good tools IMO

At the very least it was worth the cost of the software considering it has paid for itself many times over.

I used a spider program that went under, had quirks then web position, who quickly changed their program which required a new purchase. This was a few yrs. ago. So I got turned off of this kind of software. Spent couple hundred and had quirky useless software that created problems. Engines change the rules all the time so they have to be in it for the long haul. That said web pos is better than most. What is really bad is you can get penalized because of the software. I actually have looked at newer types of this kind of software because they can be helpful, but you can throw away some money and do some damage too.

[jmbeach]

yeah, paid software will often have the lack of support unless if you pay more for it. I think Web Pos. Gold comes with 90 days of updates, but it's something like $99/year after that plus costs of software upgrades should you want those.

I would only recommend paying if you can earn it back in your first job. Otherwise, you may be likely to have an expensive toy of the moment.

As for getting penalized, all I can recommend is to stay well below the recommended submission schedules - that is, if a SE says you can submit once a week, submit after 8 days or more. Like I said before, you will spend a lot of time learning the in's and out's of each SE with or without software that does much of the work.

[mresell]

Originally Posted by jmbeach

yeah, paid software will often have the lack of support unless if you pay more for it. I think Web Pos. Gold comes with 90 days of updates, but it's something like $99/year after that plus costs of software upgrades should you want those.

I would only recommend paying if you can earn it back in your first job. Otherwise, you may be likely to have an expensive toy of the moment.

As for getting penalized, all I can recommend is to stay well below the recommended submission schedules - that is, if a SE says you can submit once a week, submit after 8 days or more. Like I said before, you will spend a lot of time learning the in's and out's of each SE with or without software that does much of the work.

I try to spend wisely. This was yrs ago when everyone got burned, but I learned a lesson. Are you talking about the multi web version(web pos). I am entitled to an upgrade thru them. Their stuff was better than the promotional spider thing I got, but they dropped it soon after I got it(version 1 somethin)then totally redid the product. It was so annoying to spend the money for software that ended up being worthless...the few times I can say that. I avoid dealing too much w/ the SE stuff because it is so unpredictable and I don't like offering services I don't feel good about. At least web position has other tools in the kit.

[jmbeach]

yeah, the $349 version. I bought it about 2.5 years ago, and there is a new version out, but the old one seems to be working just fine for me.

I hear you about spending on software that instantly becomes outdated. That's why I try to make a rule of only buying if I know I can make the money back in the first job with it. At least that way the rest is gravy, or you've broken even.

I've also found that more customers are going the way of the pay per click model, and so I have a handful of clients that just pay me a fee to maintain their google/overture accounts.

[mresell]

You gotta pay 200 for the all in one platinum. Don't know about their other costs. Also not too many people commented on it. Only 9 at zdnet. Good it was positive, but not enough reviews. I don't trust all these different versions of software either. Always hated crippled software. I can understand maybe 2 versions, but 3 seems dubious. I used to use jimtools, but it is not the same any more. Heck, all the SE are dishonest. They do not show real links etc. They don't do what they once did. Yahoo seems worse than google tho. At some point it will all be like tv advertising I fear and that's bad for everyone, except the advertising companies and you can't seem to get around that anywhere unless you really work at it and have luck on your side.

[generic]

Originally Posted by mresell

unless you really work at it and have luck on your side.

luck is part of it, but your right hard work is the most.

After 5 years I have placed in the top 5 on most engines and #1 on yahoo using the words "website design illinois".

I have constantly redefined my key words, description, and first paragraph of text (the important 3) on my site to get where I am without ever having to pay any of those B*llsh*T listing fees. I credit a lot of it to the old program topdog which got me listed in a bunch of search engines. It seemd that once I got listed in a lot of the smaller searh engines, in addition to receiving tons of spam, the big ones started to see me everywhere and started listing me, which is why I am looking for a new program that people found have worked for them.

greg

[jmbeach]

Yeah, we may start getting pushed out of the online marketing game by the paid model, but I still have faith in the other, free, methods. That said, I'd say I've seen success with WPG - the one particular client that I've spent more time with it for went from zero top 50 listings to over 60, with about 25 of those in the top 10. This in under a year.

Granted different keywords/keyphrases are going to be more of a pain to get ranked, it can be done. A lot of time and patience

This is why I have 10 times as many "pay per click" customers. Once they realize that you can get instant gratification it's a no brainer. Plus given the fact that I can charge less to manage these accounts - because frankly there is a lot less work involved with the paid model than with building doorway pages and submitting these pages - they jump all over it. In the end it's better for me, I think, because I have a large guaranteed monthly stream of income - and once they start getting those search visitors buying they find that it's worth the investment.

I will admit that trying to be an internet developer advertising with the paid companies is a sure way to go bankrupt, though There are just too many willing to pay boatloads of cash to rank above you. The ROI for me was just dismal.

[mresell]

Getting ranked is doable, but the ROI is all that matters. Getting ranked high doesn't mean you get a return. Getting the right ranking is more important. I guess for me, as I said that is a lot of responsibility to take on. Pay per click kinda puts it on the SE where it belongs. I certainly have gotten customers ranked in top 10 on yahoo etc..., but it is too iffy. I explain this to people, but you know how people are. They don't really follow. Since alta vista went to yahoo and yahoo has gotten so screwy and unpredictable I like them less. Most are using Google, but Google as I have said has become very inaccurate. Things don't come up that should or visa-versa. jmbeach do you manage their separate overture accts?

[jmbeach]

I'll agree with you mresell regarding Google - I can't even count the number of times my Google clients have called or emailed me asking why they don't see their paid ads. Trouble is that with google even the paid results are random. Typically it comes down to the fact that they may exhaust their funds before the middle of the day - and we all know how hard it can be to tell our customers to spend more money

Yes, I manage their overture and google accounts, as well as doing a bit of manual submissions - both by hand and with Web Position Gold. I'd say it's been the fastest growing share of my recurring business.

[mresell]

Originally Posted by jmbeach

I'll agree with you mresell regarding Google - I can't even count the number of times my Google clients have called or emailed me asking why they don't see their paid ads. Trouble is that with google even the paid results are random. Typically it comes down to the fact that they may exhaust their funds before the middle of the day - and we all know how hard it can be to tell our customers to spend more money

Yes, I manage their overture and google accounts, as well as doing a bit of manual submissions - both by hand and with Web Position Gold. I'd say it's been the fastest growing share of my recurring business.

Yahoo has you pay, but doesn't even guarantee you a listing...what is that?Now you have to also be a member to submit, unless the software gets around that. That's good to hear jmbeach. It is a natural addon. Many people want this. I just wish I felt more comfortable with the results. There is so much out of your control. The bottom line is like everything else...state what you specifically will do in the contract so they don't have misconceptions. I have gotten some crazy customers with some pretty unrealistic expectations (like who hasn't)

Hey trace,
Let us know if you find somethin that works...I may be purchasing somethin soon myself. I will certainly do the same.