ColdFusion MX or Back to ColdFusion 5.0

[Brian]

This is great news! I know one of my potential customers has been asking about CF support on my plans.

I remember from a post somewhere here that indicated that the cost per CF enabled domain would drop once/if there were dedicated servers for CF users (fewer server licenses required?). Is this still going to be the case?

Also, any idea when 2.4 is expected to be ready?

[bootNumlock]

will cf 5 remain on the other boxes??? i have one client that use cf (no need for mx however)

Just let me know.

[admin]

Well MX supports the 5 code as far as I know.. ( Not a CF coder. )

I would like to get CF 5 and CF MX of all the boxes and get everyone moved in to one box. I think there is less then 100 sites here using CF 5 or CF MX so the system will be very under loaded.. We will add anther CF MX system as well to make sure we have room if need be.

[jmbeach]

Originally Posted by nelsonke

I have benefitted from many of your posts, but in this case I think you are missing the point. The way I have read the posts, is that those that use CF are simply letting Vortech know that they use features on MX that are not available on version 5.0. If all the servers were rolled back, they would HAVE to move to other hosters, not they are threatening to.

In any case, it looks like a solution has been devised. Hats off as usual to Brad the Owner for talking with and listening to his customers.

My apologies for those I've offended. I'm very glad that a workable solution has been devised.

[mfennell]

everyone should be happy now!

we need to start another thread about Coldfusion so maybe you guys could enlighten us ASP/PHP developers.

[nabsUK]

Great news, thank you brad and team.

Nabil

[TheDesigners]

Originally Posted by mfennell

everyone should be happy now!

we need to start another thread about Coldfusion so maybe you guys could enlighten us ASP/PHP developers.

Sounds like a fine idea. If you ASP/PHP guys gave CFMX a try, there'd be a lot more than the 100 or so sites running it now. I loved PHP at one time, but I don't even know what it stands for now!!!

[Dabelo]

Using NT32 for all coldfusion MX--

-Re the ISOLATION Decision

Questions and great concerns:

1. I have some very large sites that are slowly converting out of coldfusion
and into .net. These sites are in "mixed mode" Your post #39 --
" Nothing else will be installed besides of course asp and .net but thats only for H-Sphere to use"
What does this mean for these type of sites.

2. I have some static IP's that are resolved by outside name servers. When the sites move,
will their static addresses go with them??

3. Will /coldfusion/access driver support be available. for these older sites ??

4. I really think we need a moving schedule by site so we can respond to the
Problems that will be unexpected !! Maybe 3-4 sites per reseller per day?
Maybe weekend moves? I can work with something reasonable!

[Dabelo]

For people who need to "upgrade" from cf5:


Having upgraded about 20 sites from cf5 to cfmx

Look out for the following :

1. Connection strings are not allowed in <cfquery>
A great step backward!!!

2. The ".." and "." do now show up in <cfdirectory>

3. Many custom tags developed by third parties
are broke for mx. In some cases there are
upgraded verisons.

4. DNS connections are no longer automatic on the
coldfusion server. They must be be entered by
hand via the support staff via a trouble ticket.
A colossal step back backwards.

5. There is a detailed list of non-supported cf5
features in the cfmx release notes.


Hope this helps.

[mresell]

I think tha cf devs should develop a little enrichment for the rest. I like macromedia stuff and cf works well w/ that. Yes it has overhead, but I have worked w/ other languages that do as well. Lord know asp does some weird stuff. I think it would be nice to get CF stable and more of it, but for you guys who know what your doing some input..like this thread would benefit everybody here who codes. The fact that they do really listen to their resellers is their biggest plus next to the support IMHO.

[TheDesigners]

Dabelo said:
…Connection strings are not allowed in <cfquery>
A great step backward!!!


The cfquery tag (in MX) doesn’t support connection strings, but they can be entered using the CFMX Administrator. The set back - you have to submit a support ticket to get it done. Vortech doesn’t allow RDS access to the Administrator because of security concerns, which is understandable. If Vortech would upgrade to the Enterprise edition, stability and security would be greater because each site could run a separate instance of ColdFusion. Each would have their own little server process and developers could configure CFMX without a support ticket, affecting other sites, or jeopardizing security.
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Dabelo said:

…Many custom tags developed by third parties
are broke for mx. In some cases there are
upgraded verisons.

Could you be a little more specific? Which ones don’t work?
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Dabelo said:

…DNS connections are no longer automatic on the
coldfusion server. They must be be entered by
hand via the support staff via a trouble ticket.
A colossal step back backwards.

I think you mean DSNs. They too have to be entered using the Administrator in CF5. Unless you're talking about a dynamic ODBC connection. But that’s a connection string and not a DSN (CFMX Enterprise Edition would eliminate the need for support intervention in adding DSN’s).
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Dabelo said:

…There is a detailed list of non-supported cf5
features in the cfmx release notes.

Let’s get to just a few features that are not available in CF5:

XML SUPPORT, CF COMPONENTS (one page of code that can perform multiple functions and can be invoked by any page in your application – very powerful & very cool), FLASH REMOTING (Imagine having several data grids on one page that can be populated dynamically with data from several different sources and then this data can be modified, inserted, deleted, searched & restricted (access/functions) based on user roles – all WITHOUT A SINGLE BROWSER REFRESH!). These three improvements alone make CFMX one great improvement over CF5. CFMX is a powerful tool. Give it a try.

[fusioneer]

Originally Posted by admin

fusioneer, we really don't want to get rid of it all together.. But I do have a question for you. When you have installed CF MX do you use the Server Install, J2EE config or J2EE config with EAR/WAR.

I use the J2EE Config this installs a full version of JRUN 4 and CF on top.

[tmanners]

Hey, I have really appreciated everyone's input in this thread.

I have yet to develop a site in CF but I am really thinking about using it as my primary development language. This has been an agonizing decision. In light of that, I agree that a forum just for CF developer would be great! What do you think?

The decision to isolate CFMX seems like a good solution; however, the idea of having to setup all our DB connections through a trouble ticket is kind of a pain. Any solutions or thoughts here?

[admin]

Well you have to submit a ticket right now if its on the web server or if it was on its own system. The issue is CF just needs the info for your DB(s) and H-Sphere does not work with CF in that way. It not that hard and only takes us a few sec. to do.

On the new systems because of how many issues we have seen with MS access we will not longer be able to support that at all on CF MX, but a upgrade to mssql will fix that problem and will be much better for the site anyway.

[mresell]

Originally Posted by admin

Well you have to submit a ticket right now if its on the web server or if it was on its own system. The issue is CF just needs the info for your DB(s) and H-Sphere does not work with CF in that way. It not that hard and only takes us a few sec. to do.

On the new systems because of how many issues we have seen with MS access we will not longer be able to support that at all on CF MX, but a upgrade to mssql will fix that problem and will be much better for the site anyway.

Brad,
Sorry but what specific issue are you talking about for cf mx? j2ee?
I not clear about what you mean.