ColdFusion MX or Back to ColdFusion 5.0

[Brangwyn]

CFMX May well be very stable, however CFMX + HSphere obviously isn't. I'm sure Brad wouldn't say it is just for the sake of it. No other HSphere reseller is probably going to tell you "pre-sales" either that they're having problems. A quick skim of the psoft HSphere forums tells me Brad certainly isn't the only HSphere reseller having CFMX problems.

[generic]

I didnt vote in the primary today because I did not seen anything I liked, so I will stick to the same concept here and not vote until I see a solution I like.

[dwhite]

Brad,
I really appreciate you allowing us ALL to give our points of view. Once again, you demonstrate to me that you try to be fair and work out reasonable solutions whenever possible. I would hope that others who threaten leaving would take a step back and consider your offer in the spirit it is given.

P.S. I miss hearing from Vixen. Do you have her chained up somewhere?

EDIT: Oh NM, guess I just don't come visit the forums enough anymore..hehe

[TheDesigners]

I've not read all the posts here because I don't have time, but I've read enough the get the jist and don't like the direction this is going.

As I sit here coding in FlashMX (with CFMX as the back-end) and working 'round the clock to complete a somewhat complicated project. As it stands now, this site can't be down-graded to CF5. I wonder who's going to pay the bill to redo what's already done? More importantly, who's going to explain to my client why it's not completed (on time) and why half the features he requested won't be possible?

Without question, I'm just a small reseller here on Vortech; yet with every project I take on, I do a little more than my best. Why can't the same be done to get CFMX stable on the servers? I guess giving up is easier. Hope I never get to that point.

Well,
Perhaps we will add our new CF cluster now, and just turn the server off. If you want CF and you're on a new box, you'll just need to submit a request and we'll have the site transferred to the CF box, which won't run any of the other bits that will just bog the server down.

Maybe Brad will add that as a third option when/if he checks around this post tonight? I think the Server Move tool is mature enough.

[Silverbug]

This would also enhance the cf sites too, cause they wouldnt have sites that use php/asp on them. I think this is the best idea. And then once hsphere 2.4 comes along it should make this seamless shouldnt it?

[jmbeach]

I must say that while some of the posts here are clearly coming from a place of frustration, it's not necessarily fair to assume that the Vortech crew are just throwing their hands up and giving up. I can remember many issues where we pushed them and pushed them and finally they either came up with a solution or had to throw in the towel. Just because they have to take drastic measures now doesn't mean that they haven't been pulling their hair out trying to fix it.

See, what some of you may be missing is that while CFMX may be a fine platform under certain circumstances, maybe if you factor in IIS, HSphere, and all the COM's that are on these windows boxes you get a condition that is not perfect for MX.

C'mon people - it's always about the greater good. How many of us have been denied a special COM or some other software requirement because it wasn't in the best interest of the overall group? After all, this is a shared environment - let's remember that.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm sick of hearing threats of "I'll have to pull all my clients if you don't fix this." That's no approach.

[zennix]

I think that the people using CFMX have the reasonable expectation that they will be able to continue using it and not have their sites break if you go back to the previous version. I have never used CF, but I am sure that the people who are using have a lot of time invested in their sites and would be seriously put out if they had to roll them back to work with an earlier version, or even worse, be forced to switch hosts.

Someone mentioned technology vs stability earlier. For me, I will take feature free and stable any day, but I understand others cannot do that. I would like to see matrix go the Debian route with a stable cluster and a testing server. If someone can afford the walk along the bleeding edge and is willing to pay for it, let them have Windows 2003, CFMX, the HSphere Beta, and whatever else is on the horizon.

I have no idea if anyone would want such a service, or if enough of them could be found to make it worthwhile. Perhaps enlisting the help of the person who beta tested the software or other client experts could help. Give them a shot at working with you to fix it if they are willing, maybe you can keep it running and keep them happy.

Good luck with it.

[admin]

Well boys and girls.. Good news..

Sharond will be taking NT32 out of the racks tonight since no one is on it and it has some issues any way from its install. We will be setting it up for CF MX ONLY. Any sites using MX will be moving right on over here. I tested the move stuff in H-Sphere tonight and worked great.

So any one that needs CFMX it will need to be CF MX ONLY and it will be in its own little world.. Nothing else will be installed besides of course asp and .net but thats only for H-Sphere to use. No PHP, No perl, No custom DLLS since CF does not use them..

This should work out much better for the CF MX guys. This will also cut our cost a little bit on CF. If this does not get CF stable not sure what will..

[admin]

Maybe we will need *anther poll* but I think this might make everyone happy...

[TheDesigners]

To “isolate or not” is a * poll * worth posting. To me, rolling back is not a solution. There’s only enough yarn to knit a sweater with one arm. Do you cut off your right or your left? Or do you redesign the sweater?

As for all those is favor of stability, who can blame you. As it’s been pointed out, this is a “shared environment” and so should be treated as one. The forum is a “shared environment” as well. It’s a place for Vortech’s bread & butter to speak their mind & offer ideas. If you’re “sick” of the post here, stop reading them.

Brad, thanks for the chance to be happy again.

jmbeach-

On the Money!!!

It's a shared environment and everyone has the 'perfect configuration' that will work well for them, and nobody else. If we took 'orders' like a diner, and gave everyone every component and feature that they wanted, we'd be out of business. How's that for a fix, everyone?

[CelticRaven]

If having an open discussion and taking a poll is not impressive enough, finding the best solution for all surely is!

Not only would the CFMXers be happy, but everyone else will be too if you end up with the separate setup. Nice job Vortech. I think you have found a fair balance.

Now the curiosity builds wondering if CFMX will be put on all boxes when hsphere 2.4 (aka holy grail) is final.

[nelsonke]

Originally Posted by jmbeach

Sorry for the rant, but I'm sick of hearing threats of "I'll have to pull all my clients if you don't fix this." That's no approach.

I have benefitted from many of your posts, but in this case I think you are missing the point. The way I have read the posts, is that those that use CF are simply letting Vortech know that they use features on MX that are not available on version 5.0. If all the servers were rolled back, they would HAVE to move to other hosters, not they are threatening to.

In any case, it looks like a solution has been devised. Hats off as usual to Brad the Owner for talking with and listening to his customers.

[admin]

Before 2.4 we will have CF MX users setup an account they only want to use CF for. Once its setup they just simple put in a ticket and we move it to the CF only system.

We have the system setup already and I will be finishing the system up today. Once we have everyone move over to CF only systems we are going to remove CF from all the systems as there is really no need for it then. This will drop the load on all the systems and make CF users and other users more stable for the long run.

Now once 2.4 comes out the CF box will have its own little signup plan, like windows and unix and mail only and such. This way CF only plans would just go right on to that right box(s) from the setup. So the only thing that will change after 2.4 will just be a little less work on our side of things..