ColdFusion MX or Back to ColdFusion 5.0

[admin]

It crashes and stops running on its own. We do the server install the first option in CF. This is how all the systems are setup.

I am not sure what CF's issue is but 3 out of 5 systems I think have had issues with CF just crashing and does not want to start back up and gives no clear errors why.

CF 5 can run for months and never an issue. I hope taking CF off the other systems and getting all the CF sites on to its own system it may help and make things better all around. We are going to start with one CF only system see how that goes as we move sites over. Then we will add a 2nd CF only system as needed.

[mresell]

I got the crashing part. I thought msaccess was involved in the conflict. Thought maybe you had more specifics on the problem. Is that the possible theory that services access uses don't like CF? Is CF enterprise that much more than reg CF...haven't looked a license prices, but betting yes. However, since you charge for CF now anyway I do think you could attract more developers/hosting w/cfmx since CF has gained some nice features.

P.S.
Holy..you know what. I just looked a license prices. CF $549 for upgrade per server. CF Enterprise for clustering is $4,999 per server. Wow that is a huge difference. I certainly hope it is that much better. I could see for some enterprise dev that being worthwhile sense there is even more expensive stuff out there, but that is a significant amount of moola! You would have to have enough people using it to justify that diff in cost.

[macroplan]

All of my plans for site development relate to the current MX version 6.1

I use all the current development tools that Macromedia provides and could not handle referancing a pre-MX version.

Therefore I would have to find another host that could run the MX 6.1

This would be a bummer because I like Vortech!!!!

[Two Roads Media]

Currently, we have 10 CF sites (none in MX as of yet) and another 5 on the way within the next month. Moving them is fine, but we obviously want to make sure we can continue to operate them as before and what will have to happen to make the move possible - will Vortech do everything? will there be DNS changes? etc.

While we currently have no one running CF and PHP that I can think of, will everything else that is available on other servers be available for the CF-only server?

Thanks.

[mresell]

Originally Posted by Two Roads Media

Currently, we have 10 CF sites (none in MX as of yet) and another 5 on the way within the next month. Moving them is fine, but we obviously want to make sure we can continue to operate them as before and what will have to happen to make the move possible - will Vortech do everything? will there be DNS changes? etc.

While we currently have no one running CF and PHP that I can think of, will everything else that is available on other servers be available for the CF-only server?

Thanks.

I don't think everything will be available that was on the other servers. They had access to other windows software/services. In this long thread admin states what services will be available. Part of the theory, I think is that another service could be conflicting w/ mx. Just a couple. It may mean coding changes for some. How the CF will be dealt with I am not 100% sure. The old CF on other servers I think is okay for now anyway. The new CF server has mx on it. So if you wanted to setup a new MX site you have to tell them so they can manually set it up.

[Two Roads Media]

Ok, well, I do have a few concerns. Frankly, I don't care what box we are on as long as everything works ok, but I wonder about things like installed SSL certificates, Urchin availability, accounts using static IP addresses, etc.

Plus, there is the question of having to move sites, databases, email information and the like.

[fusioneer]

Originally Posted by admin

It crashes and stops running on its own. We do the server install the first option in CF. This is how all the systems are setup.

I am not sure what CF's issue is but 3 out of 5 systems I think have had issues with CF just crashing and does not want to start back up and gives no clear errors why.

Media Temple were having some problems with CFMX this is the outline of the problem

"A few things that he wanted to clarify is that they're not crowding 20000 users onto one box. I have to apologize about that, I was being sarcastic. When it comes to shared hosting, I know that the more users you can put in a sandbox per box = profit. So, I'm going off what I know based on other ISPs. The number that they have per box sounds pretty respectable.

They explained to me what their issue is, basically that the datasource information (the xml file that holds all the information) basically gets corrupted. Now, majority of companies probably never touch their DSN once in a blue moon, but (mt)'s environment is a little more dynamic, people are always creating datasource information, deleting them, etc. I have to agree since I remember doing the same when I was at intermedia."

Is yours a little more dynamic??

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Pete

[Carly]

Originally Posted by Two Roads Media

Ok, well, I do have a few concerns. Frankly, I don't care what box we are on as long as everything works ok, but I wonder about things like installed SSL certificates, Urchin availability, accounts using static IP addresses, etc.

Plus, there is the question of having to move sites, databases, email information and the like.

I think the services that wouldn't be available would be more like SiteStudio and FrontPage extensions, etc. I'm pretty sure you'd still be able to get a static IP Address & install an SSL on it. I believe all of the stats programs will still be available as well.

Once the CF server is ready, we'll be moving everything over, retaining your database settings, email settings and sites.

[admin]

The CF system is ready to go.. We are ready to start moving users over, here is what will happen.

We have tested it our self and works great as far as the move goes. We would like to move 5 CF only accounts/domains over. This means if you are running CF site it must only be CF sites under that account as some stuff will not work IE, perl is not installed, NO com's are installed, PHP is only there for web shell not for users use, NO access database will be supported only SQL databases.

We will move the site from its current system over to the CF server, this will change your IP even with a static IP, but it will give you a new static IP on the new system if you had a static IP on the old System. It will copy all of your stuff over for you including DSN's.

Once we have this tested we will be looking over EVERY system to find all sites using CF. Once we find them all we will go from NT4 up to the NT31 the last system with CF. We will then start emailing the resellers from each system to setup times to move them. As we finish each server CF will be removed. We have spare system ready to go already if we see a need for more CF systems. At this point I think 2 maybe 3 CF system will more then good.

This is going to give CF and all other users better up time and the system should be a LOT more stable doing there tasks they are good at. Once we see how this goes and 2.4 comes out where we make a CF cluster like the windows signup cluster we will also look in to dropping the price of CF as well. I think that will make a LOT of you CF guys happy as well.

[mresell]

So, If understand correctly basic web services will be available and cfmx? Probably, would help everybody if specific services that will be on the cf services are listed in one sticky/faq so people don't get too ancy.

[TheDesigners]

Originally Posted by admin

...NO access database will be supported on SQL databases.

...we will also look in to dropping the price of CF as well. I think that will make a LOT of you CF guys happy as well.

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1.) I'm a little confused with this. Do you mean "MS Access DB's" will not be supported, or do you mean NO access to "SQL DB's"?

2.) If prices go down – that would be great!

Now I want to share a story with you guys. I use a testing server for development purposes - running Windows 2003 Standard Edition & ColdFusion 6.1

Shortly after Brad offered to separate ColdFusion from the masses and keep 6.1, I started having intermittent problems with my server slowing down. CFM pages would sometimes take a long time loading or the page would just hang. This progressed to the server freezing, with memory access errors & outright crashes (I guess it took longer for these problems to show up on my machine because the volume of traffic is very low). I knew then I had put my neck on the block in this forum – of course you’d have to pull my foot from my mouth before you could get my neck on the block …so I apologize to all for sounding like a selfish little radical.

To cure the freezing problem, I un-installed CF and re-installed it using option #2 (installs CF as an enterprise application running on top of JRun 4). No more freezing and the server is runner faster than ever before. I guess choosing option #1 (installs CF as a self-contained server) is not the best choice. Funny – nobody in Macromedia’s forums offered this solution. Their “Team Members” refused to believe a problem could exist with a Macromedia product. I was accused of running Windows 98, not having enough memory, and just generally being stupid. I got a bad taste from that – you’ll no longer hear me promote that company. Again, I apologize to all for my stubbornness and arrogance.

Dan

[bigdave]

Brad ment NO acess databases ONLY SQL..

[fusioneer]

Originally Posted by TheDesigners

__________________________________________________ ___________. Their “Team Members” refused to believe a problem could exist with a Macromedia product. I was accused of running Windows 98, not having enough memory, and just generally being stupid. I got a bad taste from that – you’ll no longer hear me promote that company. Again, I apologize to all for my stubbornness and arrogance.

Dan

oi you!

dont tar everyone with the same brush, the second option is precisely what I recommend as to your problem I believe that was probably down to 2003 server problems, however as I previously posted right back at the beginning of this thread "Enterprise should be being used atop of JRUN"

Pete Thomas
Team Macromedia

[TheDesigners]

[quote=fusioneer]

dont tar everyone with the same brush...

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Missed your post in this forum, Fusioneer, you’re spared the tar. But tell me honestly, why didn’t Macromedia suggest this to Brad and his team? Or to me when I approached them with the same problem? And why are people, myself included, having so many problems with the release of DW 7.01? Why did DW 7.0 need “hundreds” of fixes in the first place (that’s what your fellow team members told me over at Macromedia)? We used to call a software release in need of “hundreds” of fixes a “beta” release. Macromedia seems to think they can charge people for a beta release and then charge for support (after 2 incidents). What a wonderful setup! They can get paid initially, then find out what needs fixing and get paid for that too. Not a good business model if you want to keep your client base. How is the “Macromedia Team Member” base doing? Are there many applicants? I checked out the list and it looks pretty short to me. I’m not sure, but wasn’t it quite a bit longer a few years ago?

I used to be very enthusiastic towards Macromedia products and would recommend them as being “the only way to go”, but no more. I’ll still develop with Macromedia; I just won’t promote them. There are other development products out there as good or better, and I plan on investing in some of them. It is my opinion that Macromedia needs to “get it together” or they’ll continue to loose devoted fans. Remember while you read this, I’m not the only one experiencing these problems with Macromedia. I’m giving my opinion base on my experience and the experience of friends in the development community.

Something to think about: Apple computer had huge devoted fan base in the beginning, but they refused to change their business model and now command a whopping 2% of the computer market. Apple still has a devoted fan base – but it’s just a few stubborn ones that won’t open their minds and see the world has oranges too. Well, I’ve seen the oranges and the apples no longer look as good.