ColdFusion MX or Back to ColdFusion 5.0

[somereseller]

Why run MX on Windows in the first place? Is it the only way to run it within Hsphere?

[nabsUK]

great, thanks Brad.

[fusioneer]

WHAT??????????

Im sorry but something is very wrong with your installation if you are saying CF5 is more stable than CFMX. It is not, period! There are numerous memory leak issues and in terms of an Application server it is not in the same league as CFMX.

You poll is also very biased stating the system will be a "LOT" more stable, get you installation correct on CFMX and "THEN" it will be a "LOT" more stable.

Me, im just CF coder of 8 years plus, Neo (CFMX) Beta Tester and Team Macromedia member for Cold Fusion,, what do I know?

Seriously though this is a backward step however it is possibly worth mentioning in this hosting environment you should be using CFMX Enterpise sitting atop of JRun??

If you go CF5, I go....

[admin]

Originally Posted by somereseller

Why run MX on Windows in the first place? Is it the only way to run it within Hsphere?

Yea its not supported on unix with H-Sphere only windows. Also they don't seem to support FreeBSD at all http://www.macromedia.com/software/c...fo/systemreqs/

[bootNumlock]

fusioneer, perhaps you should work with Brad to come up with a server configuration that could work in our environment. What are other cold fusion hosts doing. I know this is somewhat of a specialty item, but from everything i read, CFMX is a pretty darn powerful application develpment environment.

I think there are some middle ground answers here, but stability first is a great place to start.

perhaps the poll should ask how many users are taking advantage of MX and then create an open discussion for those users to help decide a solution. This is where web chat in here or some sort of conference area could be of benefit.

just my two cents.

[admin]

Originally Posted by fusioneer

WHAT??????????

Im sorry but something is very wrong with your installation if you are saying CF5 is more stable than CFMX. It is not, period! There are numerous memory leak issues and in terms of an Application server it is not in the same league as CFMX.

You poll is also very biased stating the system will be a "LOT" more stable, get you installation correct on CFMX and "THEN" it will be a "LOT" more stable.

Me, im just CF coder of 8 years plus, Neo (CFMX) Beta Tester and Team Macromedia member for Cold Fusion,, what do I know?

Seriously though this is a backward step however it is possibly worth mentioning in this hosting environment you should be using CFMX Enterpise sitting atop of JRun??

If you go CF5, I go....

fusioneer, we really don't want to get rid of it all together.. But I do have a question for you. When you have installed CF MX do you use the Server Install, J2EE config or J2EE config with EAR/WAR.

I know a lot of you are saying MX is more stable but we are just not seeing that and 25 installs on CF 5 can speak for its self not a single issue. But then 7 installs on MX and all have issues. Ether MX does not like win2k or Macromedia is telling us something VERY VERY WRONG.


I mean its not like there is a lot of options or things that could go wrong in the install of CF MX or things we could even change. Thats why I am so lost as to why CF 5 has been so much more stable then MX.

[jford]

Along with several other people that have posted in this thread, our company would have to leave Vortech if CFMX was not supported. CFMX is 100% more stable than CF5, not to mention faster and built with features to allow more object oriented and n-tier type development.

We code entirely in CFMX and have sites hosted with several large hosting companies aside from Vortech. The only host we've had problems with regarding CF is Vortech. I don't understand what the problem is, as our other accounts hosted with other companies have been rock solid stable and fast. Of course we are paying around $30 at other companies for one domain with CFMX and MSSQL while only paying $45 for the Morpheus reseller plan here. The selling point for Vortech has been price, not stability.

I'm beginning to think that proper administration of CFMX is just not understood as well by Vortech as it is by other companies that unfortunately charge much more.

[admin]

Originally Posted by jford

Along with several other people that have posted in this thread, our company would have to leave Vortech if CFMX was not supported. CFMX is 100% more stable than CF5, not to mention faster and built with features to allow more object oriented and n-tier type development.

We code entirely in CFMX and have sites hosted with several large hosting companies aside from Vortech. The only host we've had problems with regarding CF is Vortech. I don't understand what the problem is, as our other accounts hosted with other companies have been rock solid stable and fast. Of course we are paying around $30 at other companies for one domain with CFMX and MSSQL while only paying $45 for the Morpheus reseller plan here. The selling point for Vortech has been price, not stability.

I'm beginning to think that proper administration of CFMX is just not understood as well by Vortech as it is by other companies that unfortunately charge much more.

stability is not an issue for CF 5 sysstems only CF MX. Also to admin CF MX there is not a lot to it. Install it and for the most part should work right??

Everyone here seems to day CF MX is more stable I have yet to see it, then others say CF 5 sucks and it is not stable when it is.

Remember nothing has been changed yet but on NT31 because it wanted to fight about even installed things as it should IE like the services. Heck if it can't even install its self how can I expect it to even be stable once running.. I don't use CF at all so I could not tell you the difference from the codeing side at all thats the reason for the post more less.


You must also remember CF users are about the smallest amount of our users, I don't want to see anyone go but I for sure would not want to see all the ASP, PHP, CGI, HTML ect people go because CF MX is making the systems so unstable.

[Dabelo]

I have about 10 coldfusion sites and I wish I had 0. I have moved them thru
3 hosting companys. They crash. They crash more once I upgraded them to
MX. I had to spend my own money on them to upgrade from cf5 to mx. (Not the customers fault macromedia broke the allaire product) I cannot afford to un-mx them.

What I love about Brad & company is that he is trying to solve problems. The other hosting companies just kept there finger on the reboot button.

I believe the following -

1. CF5 had unexplaned, infrequent, non-repeatable, "crashes" most likely due to
memory leaks.

2. CFMX, written from from the ground up, is suffering from "version 1 itas".
Macromedia proudly boosted that it had fixed 400 "customer issues"
(ie BUGS) with the 6.1 release.

3. Psoft has additional issues when runing mx outside of the internal
mx problems. I run my mx without much issue (but not error free)
outside of the psoft environment. This is ONLY true after upgrading to 6.1!


I cannot a abandon my coldfusion customers. I cannot afford to un-mx them.
Yet my non-cf customers should not suffer. I say put MX on a Isolated server
Install clients by hand. And let us service them by FTP and tech support.

P.S.
We no longer use coldfusion for new development. Net Framework
seems like the HOLY GRAIL


__fred

[mresell]

I think stability is number 1. I also think that the idea of taking cf off windows servers is a good idea. Some other windows services have enough issues w/o adding to it. At 1 time I thought this was planned for management and cost reasons. I assume hsphere setup had something to do w/ the change. If cf needs alittle setup time I can't see that being a very big deal. If that is the only downside to moving cf to it's own server I can't see it being a big deal. Seems like CF devs might like it from a resource side.

[gavrielh]

We do our development on CFMX 6.1 and would have to leave if this was not supported. We have had some issues with CFMX in the past, although working with Macromedia we have been able to resolve these issues quite regularly without a problem. There is a manual removal tool that needs to be used to remove CFMX when it does not properly install, some registry keys need to be removed and set back to a default setting before re-installation. CFMX 6.1 is extremely stable once you get it installed correctly, this process is somewhat delicate and needs to be done with most services off. If you need assistance in designing a better plan to set up and maintain CF, I can put you in touch with our Network Guru that has ironed this process out for us!

Please do not downgrade... CF 5.0 has even more issues programmatically and does not support many of the functions we have designed our applications to use. CFMX 6.1 is also extremely fast compared to previous versions... in turn all applications will run faster on the machine with 6.1 on it. CF 5.0 had some really terrible issues with common applications that could break all of our sites!

[mfennell]

Not a CF developer so I can't say to much about it.

But, I want my customers sites stable.

I do feel the pain of the CFMX guys and I think the poll should be changed to add the "put CFMX on an isolated server" option, that’s what I would vote for. No need to lose customers and certainly no need for our (meaning all of your customers and mine) to suffer through the reboots and crashing.

If it takes just a little more time to setup an account then so be it (for the cfmx users).

Will this be taken care of with ver. 2.4??

[nabsUK]

Yes, apparently its fine on 2.4

[Silverbug]

Yeah i agree with mfennell, if CF can be moved to their own servers thats what should be done. That way the cf ppl can stay with vortech, and the rest of us have stable servers.

[gavrielh]

We have made arrangements to move all of our sites to another HSphere reseller in the event that you decide to remove CFMX. I would prefer not to do this, I love hosting my sites at Vortech and would much rather stay with you as we move forward. We are in the middle of a huge transition here, getting ready to move 500+ sites over to vortech by the end of April. We need to know what the plans are as soon as possible, and in the event that you decide to remove CFMX we need 2 weeks notice please so that we can move all of our clients off of the Vortech machines. This is extremely critical for us as we have to make plans for 500+ users in a short amount of time! Not all these clients will use CFMX, in fact only a few will... but we need to be able to support it for those people!

Thanks,

Gary