NT26 and NT27 up and down all day

[newmem]

Originally Posted by admin

The issue going back to win2k is it would cause a mass amount of downtime at once. About 4 to 7 hours to recreat all the sites on the new win2k option. Thats why I did not take that route and feel that we have about got all the win2k3 issues worked out. But it seems every time I say that something pop-ups up..

Brad, 4 to 7 hours downtime for just one day - I am sure most of the resellers here stuck on NT26/27 will be happy to go for that rather than get tortured by Win2003 now and in future......who wants to venture into the unknown future with 2003 when we know we can depend on 2000?

I don't know if MS has made a mess of 2003 or some other setting's not right here, but it's really not worth the risk of losing even one more minute of downtime on those servers. 4 to 7 hours one-time scheduled downtime WILL SOLVE the problem, that is what all of here are looking for.

Thanks for keeping all of us updated here.......I am sure you are thinking the best for all of us, just making a suggestion to help you guys in making a tough choice.

[admin]

We have a staff meeting tomorrow, I am going to talk about this tomorrow and we might go back to win2k on these 2 systems.. Looking the logs tonight on NT26 it seems IIS is crashing for any of the smallest things here is 2 of them that caused it to crash:

ISAPI 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\inetsrv\asp.dll' reported itself as unhealthy for the following reason: 'ASP unhealthy due to an out of memory condition.'.


Warning: IIS log failed to write entry, File /LM/W3SVC/408/Root/global.asa Line 151 Invalid Server Method Call. This method of the Server object cannot be called during Session_OnEnd and Application_OnEnd..


These kind of things just go right on by in win2k.. Why don't we have a poll here and see what you guys want.. I will post it in just a min..

[newmem]

Originally Posted by admin

Good news is NT28 is online and is running Win2k with CF MX..

(1) How do I take my site from NT27 to NT28? I don't wanna be on the 27 anymore if the downtime still continues.......

(2) Are you sure you won't convert NT28 also into Win2003 as you had previously stated that if nt26/27 become stable you will be converting all to win2003?

[admin]

VOTE HERE http://www.matrixreseller.com/forum/...&threadid=6397

[newmem]

Originally Posted by admin

These kind of things just go right on by in win2k.. Why don't we have a poll here and see what you guys want.. I will post it in just a min..

No prize for guessing what I am gonna vote for

hey...is there really a need for a poll? What is some people who do not know the current situation and who are not on nt26/27 submit their vote? Only those who have been thru the torture of 2003 will know what to vote for......

2000...in case someone didn't get the hint

[admin]

Originally Posted by newmem

(1) How do I take my site from NT27 to NT28? I don't wanna be on the 27 anymore if the downtime still continues.......

(2) Are you sure you won't convert NT28 also into Win2003 as you had previously stated that if nt26/27 become stable you will be converting all to win2003?

I am not switching any thing to win2k3.. Not sure when I said that but no, I am not messing with any of the older servers and all new ones will be win2k that are more then stable..

To move it you have to delete the account the site is under and resign up. It will put you on the new NT28 box. There would be a little downtime in doing this but it would be less then if you wait for us to install the box maybe. Just a DNS IP change.. As long as your mail is on mail3 now it will stay there so you would only lose about 10 to 15 min of mail till you set it back up.

[newmem]

Brad, how about putting NT28 and NS3 on the server monitor screen? Didn't find them there......

and for moving to 28: I have to login as reseller-admin and delete the windows account I had created...that will automatically delete the domain that has signed up under that account? But that will delete all my pages from FTP, rite? So I should backup first?

(2) Next, I create a new windows plan and sign-up there with the same domain.

Let me know if I am on the right track...

What's that with the DNS IP change?

[mresell]

I deal w/ windows constantly for onsite customer stuff, but prefer unix stability for hosting. Not that MS doesn't have some strengths. I have to say that MS is actually getting scarier w/ their attitudes toward bugs, compatibility, and political junk. You end up taking the hit if you are responsible for MS products because of the MS erratic issues. Then you don't want to feel like your a ms basher, but it is crazy.

[antic]

I really don't see what all this discussion is about. The path seems very clear to me considering the about of trouble and grief this is causing for resellers, their clients and Vortech themselves, whom I have the greatest respect for as a concientious service provider.

But PLEASE - at least consider this suggestion as the path ahead from here.

1. Set up a new Win2000 server and copy all sites across from NT 26 & 27 and let it run temporarily. There should be minimal downtime.

2. Whichever machine (26 or 27) is having the LEAST problems - reload this one with Win2000 and then move some sites over from the other 2000 server. Now you have 2 Win2000 servers in place of the original two Win2003 ones.

3. What you have left is the Win2003 server which had the MOST problems. Make a Ghost or something of it in it's current state. Send this to Microsoft with a letter saying "FIX IT". At the same time, run tests, patches, whatever, on this most troublesome of servers until you find something or MS comes back with a solution.

I am very troubled with what's going on, as ALL of my clients (including my service domain) are on 26 and 27. This is my suggestion for resolving the PROBLEM.

BIG HEADS UP - The "problem" is DOWN-TIME FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS. The problem is **NOT** Windows 2003. Don't get caught up in the technical ins-and-outs when there is at least one clear path ahead for your customers.

Us resellers will stand by you, because you're good to us and run a great service; I have the HIGHEST respect for Vortech as a hosting provider. But resellers without clients won't be reselling for very long.

[admin]

Originally Posted by antic

1. Set up a new Win2000 server and copy all sites across from NT 26 & 27 and let it run temporarily. There should be minimal downtime.

A: No way to do this as there is no way to have the same IP on 2 systems. We have to move the users stuff and set it backup in the new system for any thing to work. Meaning down time for each site till H-Sphere recreats it in IIS.

Originally Posted by antic

2. Whichever machine (26 or 27) is having the LEAST problems - reload this one with Win2000 and then move some sites over from the other 2000 server. Now you have 2 Win2000 servers in place of the original two Win2003 ones.

A: We will be setting up 2 new systems with win2k, pull a drive out of NT26 and start the setup from H-Sphere once its done we start on NT27. NT26 has the most problems so it would be the first one todo.

Originally Posted by antic

3. What you have left is the Win2003 server which had the MOST problems. Make a Ghost or something of it in it's current state. Send this to Microsoft with a letter saying "FIX IT". At the same time, run tests, patches, whatever, on this most troublesome of servers until you find something or MS comes back with a solution.

A: I can't do this for 2 reasons, MS would not take it I have tried that before to make them fix something. The other is it would not fully work right with out send every ones sits and I think that would be a bad idea.. Plus with out any load on the system from the sites it may not crash at all..

Originally Posted by antic

I am very troubled with what's going on, as ALL of my clients (including my service domain) are on 26 and 27. This is my suggestion for resolving the PROBLEM.

BIG HEADS UP - The "problem" is DOWN-TIME FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS. The problem is **NOT** Windows 2003. Don't get caught up in the technical ins-and-outs when there is at least one clear path ahead for your customers.

Us resellers will stand by you, because you're good to us and run a great service; I have the HIGHEST respect for Vortech as a hosting provider. But resellers without clients won't be reselling for very long.

Why thanks, we did try very hard to make the new OS work as it would speed up support on our end a bit because of some of the new things in win2k. But if it does not work as it should it ends up making more support for us.. Not a good trade off for us or you guys..

I think the win2k path is looking really good to me and I will do my best to make it as fast as I can in the switch?

[nabsUK]

I'm all for getting it done asap. Our main client's sites are on NT26 so the sooner the better for us.

Thanks

[newmem]

Originally Posted by newmem

Brad, how about putting NT28 and NS3 on the server monitor screen? Didn't find them there......

and for moving to 28: I have to login as reseller-admin and delete the windows account I had created...that will automatically delete the domain that has signed up under that account? But that will delete all my pages from FTP, rite? So I should backup first?

(2) Next, I create a new windows plan and sign-up there with the same domain.

Let me know if I am on the right track...

What's that with the DNS IP change?

Brad? pls. reply.......

[Brangwyn]

Yes newmem, backup the data for the account, then delete it from your contorl panel. Then just signup to the plan again and restore all your data.