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egor727 · #1 09-11-2005, 11:27 PM

As you know google had a syestem called: Google Sitemaps. this is for webmasters to inform google bots about their pages to better index them to google. this system needs som requeirment on the server to run :

Before you begin

The Google Sitemap Generator is a Python script that creates a Sitemap for your site using the Sitemap Protocol. This script can create Sitemaps from URL lists, web server directories, or from access logs. In order to use this script:

You must be able to connect to and run scripts on your web server.
Your web server must have Python 2.2 or later installed.
You must know the command that launches Python. (Generally, this is python, but may vary by installation. For instance, if the web server has two versions of Python installed, the earlier version may be invoked by the command python and the later version may be invoked by the command python2.)
You must know the directory path to your site. If your web server hosts one site, this may be a path such as var/www/html. If you have a virtual server that hosts multiple sites, this may be a path such as home/virtual/site1/fst/var/www/html.
You must be able to upload files to your web server (for instance, using FTP).
If you will be generating a list of URLs based on access logs, you must know the encoding used for those logs and the complete path to them.
If you aren't sure about any of this, you can check with your web hosting company.

i want to know if we could use google sitemaps on Vortechhosting windows servers ?

thanks

***dpyers*** · #2 09-12-2005, 08:29 AM

You can use google sitemaps for any web sites.
Don't believe Python is installed on the win servers here but if you google for "google sitemap generator" you'll find hundreds of alternative sitemap generators.

You may want to check out some of the seo discussion sites and newsgroups. There's been some discussion about if submitting the sitemap xml file actually hurts sites that are already well indexed with good page ranks.

***soky*** · #3 09-12-2005, 02:12 PM

***DigitalSkyline*** · #4 09-12-2005, 03:54 PM

David,
I tried that page and took several minutes and came back with garbage... so be careful with dynamic sites... it doesn't seem to be working right at all for them.

***soky*** · #5 09-12-2005, 04:17 PM

Interesting... well it is a Dot-Net site and I was using IE... maybe that had something to do with it. But yes... care is necessary.

I was playing with it earlier with one of my larger sites and while it's limited to 750 results... it still reported the nofollow hits (which is the printable versions.) which was in the thousands. It took a little while to accomplish... like 60 seconds or so.

***DigitalSkyline*** · #6 09-12-2005, 04:32 PM

It doesn't like ?query=string

links I guess. I don't know what it was doing but it came back with some crazy garbage for me.

***Garreg*** · #7 09-13-2005, 09:50 AM

Sorry to pour cold water on the site maps... but here's my recent experience with them.

I created over 65 new site maps for some new domains I'm working on and submitted them to Google as a sort of 'test'...... during the following three months 'nada', zilch.... nothing! Kept checking my reports and tracking the sites, but adding a site map seemed useless

All the other engines seemed to be indexing pages - but not Google!

Around three weeks ago I decided to try another test.... so I deleted 35 site maps from my Google account (leaving the other 'as is') in order to see if things improved.

Today, three weeks later 'ALL' the sites that had their Google Site maps removed have done better... and not just a little better

But a lot better.... and here's the really odd thing. Since deleting their Site maps from Google.... Google has now indexed their pages!!!!!

***Silverbug*** · #8 09-13-2005, 04:26 PM

So your saying if a site uses google sitemaps then google isnt indexing it?

And if thats the case then maybe were better off applying the sitemap for a period of time and then removing it? Ive tried it on a brand new site, but am yet to measure the results

***Garreg*** · #9 09-13-2005, 04:36 PM

That's how it has appears to me.
There seems to be a lot of 'discussion' in SEO circles about the the Big G's site map system. Some, say its fine, others disagree... it's the usual merry-go-round of does it work / doesn't it... with no one really knowing the answer. Hence, (as always) I did my own little test. As a result, I'm now sitting on the 'no it doesn't' side - until proved wrong

Maybe they just need to get their act together? Maybe it 'will' work.... but it just doesn't seem to be at the moment.
Hope that helps...

***DigitalSkyline*** · #10 09-13-2005, 07:22 PM

You know... it might just be a trap set by google to catch SEM's ...

They probably know the only people who are going to go through the trouble of submitting a "Google endorsed" sitemap are SEM's and these are usually people trying to get higher rankings for pages that don't earn them naturally.

I've heard various people saying that after submitting a g-map that the sites get lower PR's after.

All hear-say though

I haven't the time to even test such things.

***dpyers*** · #11 09-13-2005, 07:35 PM

I noticed that with the last release of the toolbar that sites had a lower PR than with the old toolbar. I ran 2 pac's, one with the old and one with the new toolbar to check.

There's only two reasons I can see for using sitemaps...
1. To use the priority attribute to indicate which pages of your site are important - in terms of content.
2. To get the stats - this may be of questionable value.

Google has about a dozen geographically diverse cluster that contain mirrors of their US sites - and other cluster's for offshore. Which cluster you go to is very variable and depends upo where you are in relation to a backbone and what the load distribution is across the clusters.

The thing to remember about sitemaps is that it is a beta. Google typically beta's changes on one or two clusters then migrates accepted changes to the remainder over some period of time.

The other thing to remember is that sitemaps are used by google as an aid to link following index crawls. They don't replace the link crawl and they don't move you up in the queue for a link crawl.

***soky*** · #12 09-14-2005, 01:54 PM

That's all very interesting. I've used HTML site maps for years and have had wonderful success. I have not tried the Google sitemaps and ofter this exchange, I probably will not.

***Garreg*** · #13 09-14-2005, 02:01 PM

HTML (or any kind of 'internal' site map) is a 'must have'... and work great.

I think the Big G's site map feature will work eventually..... just not yet

***dpyers*** · #14 09-14-2005, 06:21 PM

Garreg's right (as usual) about the html sitemaps. Very handy things for the link crawler. A link off the home page to a good site map with some choice keywords is worht its weight in gold.

***javier011*** · #15 09-23-2005, 10:31 AM

Hey guys, the verification of the site made by google seams not to work in our vortechhosting servers. because it says something like headers are returning error 200 instead of 404.

anyone?

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